GUEST: Michael Gillman Definitely a divisive discussion... Paul has Michael back on to talk about some sleep patterns and general life stuff before diving into something Paul has been getting into watching lately and wants another opinion on. This is a bit of an intense discussion where morals, laws, and personal preference intersect. Check out Paul's new YouTube channel: youtube.com/@jpaulcasey Want access to the the behind-the-scenes vlog on 'Expedition', as well as early and uninterrupted episodes of this and all of our other shows? Join Clock Shelves Entertainment Network: patreon.com/clockshelves For more episodes like this: clockshelves.com Make sure to follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Threads, BlueSky, and TikTok: @clockshelves